Swedish environmental activist Greta Thunberg says we must prevent inaction on climate issues while fighting the coronavirus pandemic Monasse Thierry/ANDBZ/ABACA/PA Images
The world needs to tackle the coronavirus pandemic and climate change simultaneously, and guard against people who try to use the current crisis to delay action on cutting carbon emissions, Greta Thunberg has urged.
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The Swedish climate activist, who revealed last week that she and her father are likely to have had covid-19, said the response to the outbreak revealed societal shortcomings, as well as our ability to change in the face of a crisis, but had also proved that we are able to act fast.
鈥淚f one virus can wipe out the entire economy in a matter of weeks and shut down societies, then that is a proof that our societies are not very resilient. It also shows that once we are in an emergency, we can act and we can change our behaviour quickly,鈥 she said in a conversation on New 伊人久久‘s Big Interview podcast.
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Some politicians have called for climate action to be put on hold while governments grapple with the聽coronavirus, with the Czech Republic鈥檚 prime minister Andrej Babi拧 saying the European Union should 鈥渇orget about the Green Deal now鈥.
Thunberg said: 鈥淧eople will try to use this emergency as an excuse not to act on the climate crisis, and that we have to be very careful for.鈥 She said she understood the emergency the world was facing now, but it wasn’t an excuse to shelve action on emissions.
鈥淧eople don鈥檛 want to hear about the climate crisis [now]. I completely understand that, but we have to make sure that it鈥檚 not forgotten. We need to treat both of these crises at the same time, because the climate crisis will not go away,鈥 she said.
The campaigner and the Fridays for Future movement,聽which she kick-started with her first school strike in 2018, have made their weekly protests virtual during the pandemic.
Students have been good at staying off the streets, said Thunberg, and although young people tend to have milder symptoms of the disease, 鈥渨e still stand in solidarity with those in risk groups and I think that is a very beautiful thing.鈥
Thunberg has had mild symptoms of covid-19, with some tiredness and a cough, but said that the more intense ones that her father experienced fit with the symptoms of the illness exactly. Neither have been tested, as Sweden is only testing the most severe cases.
2019 was incredible for Thunberg: she was nominated for the Nobel peace prize, travelled to North America and back by boat and addressed world leaders at the United Nations in New York.
The 17-year old said she always found herself going back to the science of climate change in her speeches because it wasn’t something that could be contested. 鈥淚t鈥檚 not something you can have different opinions in, it鈥檚 just pure science. In that sense, it鈥檚 very much black and white.鈥
She has focused on the “carbon budgets” put forward by the UN climate science panel in 2018, which attempt to estimate the carbon emissions that can be released into the atmosphere without breaching global warming thresholds, such as 1.5掳C and 2掳C rises in temperature. She said these budgets are insufficient because they don’t account for tipping points, such as the collapse of ice sheets in West Antarctica, but are still the “most reliable roadmaps” humanity has.
Thunberg said she has taken heart from small successes, including the rejection of expanding an airport in Bristol, UK, and rewilding projects. But she noted that the bigger picture聽of steadily rising global emissions was negative: 鈥淵es, we need to see the victories, but we can鈥檛 only focus on the victories because we close our eyes to the actual crisis.鈥
Criticism from politicians, including Donald Trump, was a 鈥渕ilestone鈥, she said. 鈥淲e need to see that as a victory, when they criticise us like that. But also it鈥檚 just so hilarious when grown-ups like that feel so threatened by children.鈥
Thunberg said she was frustrated that media coverage focused on her rather than the many other young climate activists around the world, but she understood it. Her rise as a public figure has聽been 鈥渧ery hard鈥 for her parents, she said, because they saw both the positive and negative sides of it. One of their key influences on her was聽鈥渢o always think of others and to be a humanitarian鈥, she said.
On her life after education, Thunberg hopes the world will have taken serious action on carbon emissions so she can pursue a job other than as a climate activist. 鈥淎ll I know is that I want to do something and I want to be somewhere where I can make the most difference, try to make the world a better place, but I don鈥檛 know where that will be,鈥 she said.
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